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		<title>By: Catherine P in San Diego County</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine P in San Diego County</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who are still enjoying the tickle from the bubble in the I-680 corridor, Santa Monica, etc.  will soon understand what the rest of us of do. This sinkhole is growing.
 I had a lawyer friend from Sarajevo. She said when they heard about the massacres in the suburbs, they could´not believe it. They thought it was an exaggeration or because those country people were soooo unsophisticated.  No one prepared for what they could not believe was happening.  Until the shootings were on their streets and educated sophisticated people were running for their lives as refugees.

The strongest economy in the world collapsing. Impossible. Those people losing their homes must have been &quot;subprime&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who are still enjoying the tickle from the bubble in the I-680 corridor, Santa Monica, etc.  will soon understand what the rest of us of do. This sinkhole is growing.<br />
 I had a lawyer friend from Sarajevo. She said when they heard about the massacres in the suburbs, they could´not believe it. They thought it was an exaggeration or because those country people were soooo unsophisticated.  No one prepared for what they could not believe was happening.  Until the shootings were on their streets and educated sophisticated people were running for their lives as refugees.</p>
<p>The strongest economy in the world collapsing. Impossible. Those people losing their homes must have been &#8220;subprime&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: AnnS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnnS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Bubba 
March 21st, 2009 at 5:17 pm



Doc, thank you as always for the info. One comment, California is an “at will” state, meaning companies can and do terminate people instead of laying them off. They thereby avoid having to pay any severance or unemployment benefits. I’ve heard this is rampant in the bay area. These number do not show up as layoffs as far as I know. I wonder what a “U-7″ number would be that includes these terminations that are illegal in other states but legal in CA due to past lobbying in Sacramento.

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Oh dear ....where to start....so much of this is simply DEAD WRONG!

(1) At will employment is NOT ILLEGAL in any state in the US.  Without a written employment contract, under Federal law  an employer can fire any employee for any reason they want so long as it is not because of the employee&#039;s race, age, religion, sex, national origin, physical or mental handicap unrelated to the ability to perform the job, or union activity or use of FMLA.  A few states add things like marital status or weight.  BTW, a written employment contract can be an individual contract or collective bargaining contract (unions) or, in some states under certain conditions, an employee handbook issued by the employer.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
(2) NO state or federal law requires the payment of severance.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
(3) If a person is an employee -as opposed to an independent contractor or leased employee - 99.99999% of the time their employer has to pay into unemployment,  If the &quot;employee&quot; is discharged - and not discharged for &#039;cause&#039; such as theft or tardiness or performance- they will qualify for unemployment if they have worked enough time.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
(4)  The phrase &#039;layoff&quot; in employment law and labor economics means that the employer ceased the employee&#039;s work activities temporarily and the both the employer and employee expect that the employee will be recalled to his job when work picks up.  Layoff is a cessation of employment with the expectation of recall.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
  The phrase &quot;termination&quot; in employment law and labor economics means to end the employment relationship and there is NO expectation of recall.
&gt;&gt;
(5) In the unemployment data the unemployed are classified by the reason for the unemployment. The classes are :
       (a)  Job loser - Terminated (see definition above)
       (b)   Job Loser - Laid off  (see definition above)
       (c)  Job  leaver - those who quit a job before finding a new one and who are weeking work
      (d)  Re-entrant - those who have been out of the workforce and had an interruption in their job seeking acitivites.
     (e)   New entrant - first-time job seeker.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
(6) Neither the U-3, nor U-6 or other similar data from the BLS is based solely upon the filings for unemployment.
&gt;&gt;

(And I practiced labor and employment law for over 25 years......)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by Bubba<br />
March 21st, 2009 at 5:17 pm</p>
<p>Doc, thank you as always for the info. One comment, California is an “at will” state, meaning companies can and do terminate people instead of laying them off. They thereby avoid having to pay any severance or unemployment benefits. I’ve heard this is rampant in the bay area. These number do not show up as layoffs as far as I know. I wonder what a “U-7″ number would be that includes these terminations that are illegal in other states but legal in CA due to past lobbying in Sacramento.</p>
<p>___</p>
<p>Oh dear &#8230;.where to start&#8230;.so much of this is simply DEAD WRONG!</p>
<p>(1) At will employment is NOT ILLEGAL in any state in the US.  Without a written employment contract, under Federal law  an employer can fire any employee for any reason they want so long as it is not because of the employee&#8217;s race, age, religion, sex, national origin, physical or mental handicap unrelated to the ability to perform the job, or union activity or use of FMLA.  A few states add things like marital status or weight.  BTW, a written employment contract can be an individual contract or collective bargaining contract (unions) or, in some states under certain conditions, an employee handbook issued by the employer.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
(2) NO state or federal law requires the payment of severance.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
(3) If a person is an employee -as opposed to an independent contractor or leased employee &#8211; 99.99999% of the time their employer has to pay into unemployment,  If the &#8220;employee&#8221; is discharged &#8211; and not discharged for &#8217;cause&#8217; such as theft or tardiness or performance- they will qualify for unemployment if they have worked enough time.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
(4)  The phrase &#8216;layoff&#8221; in employment law and labor economics means that the employer ceased the employee&#8217;s work activities temporarily and the both the employer and employee expect that the employee will be recalled to his job when work picks up.  Layoff is a cessation of employment with the expectation of recall.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
  The phrase &#8220;termination&#8221; in employment law and labor economics means to end the employment relationship and there is NO expectation of recall.<br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
(5) In the unemployment data the unemployed are classified by the reason for the unemployment. The classes are :<br />
       (a)  Job loser &#8211; Terminated (see definition above)<br />
       (b)   Job Loser &#8211; Laid off  (see definition above)<br />
       (c)  Job  leaver &#8211; those who quit a job before finding a new one and who are weeking work<br />
      (d)  Re-entrant &#8211; those who have been out of the workforce and had an interruption in their job seeking acitivites.<br />
     (e)   New entrant &#8211; first-time job seeker.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
(6) Neither the U-3, nor U-6 or other similar data from the BLS is based solely upon the filings for unemployment.<br />
&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>(And I practiced labor and employment law for over 25 years&#8230;&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Sabin Figaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sabin Figaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(DOW up ~500)  

I guess when your inner tube is going over the falls, you might has well give it the best ride that you can.  Evidently the investment community doesn&#039;t want to miss the bear-market rally.  I suppose that just making infinite amounts of federal reserve phantom notes is the answer to all problems and that there will be no repercussions.  We have forced the world&#039;s hand, and the world knows that we are too big to fail.  En Espanol: Muy MAL (Mutually Assured Lunacy).  Everyone knows not a dime of this will ever be paid back--we must keep printing and borrowing from now on.  It&#039;s just the greatest Ponzi scheme of all time: Buy new 10 &amp; 30 years or the crap you&#039;re holding now will fail.  The can seems to have been successfully kicked down the road another few months.  Sublime, Optical-Illusion Arms and Alt-Ape mortgages along with Mark-to-Mirage coming back?  Is there really another option at this point?  Maybe this is the only way to play this hand...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(DOW up ~500)  </p>
<p>I guess when your inner tube is going over the falls, you might has well give it the best ride that you can.  Evidently the investment community doesn&#8217;t want to miss the bear-market rally.  I suppose that just making infinite amounts of federal reserve phantom notes is the answer to all problems and that there will be no repercussions.  We have forced the world&#8217;s hand, and the world knows that we are too big to fail.  En Espanol: Muy MAL (Mutually Assured Lunacy).  Everyone knows not a dime of this will ever be paid back&#8211;we must keep printing and borrowing from now on.  It&#8217;s just the greatest Ponzi scheme of all time: Buy new 10 &amp; 30 years or the crap you&#8217;re holding now will fail.  The can seems to have been successfully kicked down the road another few months.  Sublime, Optical-Illusion Arms and Alt-Ape mortgages along with Mark-to-Mirage coming back?  Is there really another option at this point?  Maybe this is the only way to play this hand&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Westside guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Westside guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the explanation for the overpriced houses, expensive car-buying, and mall shopping that still is prevalent is all the crazy money that was made by people attached to real estate in the last 8 years. It&#039;s going to take a while for all that money to work its way through the system. Acquaintances who made money in real estate (either on the loan side or the sales side, plus the housing flippers) were making pretty big money like 300K+. All those folks still have a lot of money to spend, and they&#039;re spending (flaunting?) it. Nevertheless, I think gradually it will wind down, because there won&#039;t be the same big money coming in to replace it. Eventually the tight-lending standards will force house prices down because the regular middle-class couples making combined salaries of 80K won&#039;t be able to buy the half-mill houses, and slowly-but-surely it&#039;ll force the higher-priced ones down too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the explanation for the overpriced houses, expensive car-buying, and mall shopping that still is prevalent is all the crazy money that was made by people attached to real estate in the last 8 years. It&#8217;s going to take a while for all that money to work its way through the system. Acquaintances who made money in real estate (either on the loan side or the sales side, plus the housing flippers) were making pretty big money like 300K+. All those folks still have a lot of money to spend, and they&#8217;re spending (flaunting?) it. Nevertheless, I think gradually it will wind down, because there won&#8217;t be the same big money coming in to replace it. Eventually the tight-lending standards will force house prices down because the regular middle-class couples making combined salaries of 80K won&#8217;t be able to buy the half-mill houses, and slowly-but-surely it&#8217;ll force the higher-priced ones down too.</p>
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		<title>By: blutown</title>
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		<dc:creator>blutown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting numbers out today on home sales from NAR.  As I predicted in my post on the March 19th blog, this prime sales season (spring-summer) is looking to be a bit stronger than last driven mostly by significant drops in price.  However, I predict sales will still lag the last 8 years making it the 2nd worst sales year this decade.  The bottom callers will ignore this fact and tell us the end is in sight.  Stick with the good doctor to shine the light on this mirage.  Remember that bear market rallies are common and that complete capitulation doesn&#039;t come on the first try (ala 1929 vs. 1934).  In this case, patience will pay off big time.
Be brave Comrades!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting numbers out today on home sales from NAR.  As I predicted in my post on the March 19th blog, this prime sales season (spring-summer) is looking to be a bit stronger than last driven mostly by significant drops in price.  However, I predict sales will still lag the last 8 years making it the 2nd worst sales year this decade.  The bottom callers will ignore this fact and tell us the end is in sight.  Stick with the good doctor to shine the light on this mirage.  Remember that bear market rallies are common and that complete capitulation doesn&#8217;t come on the first try (ala 1929 vs. 1934).  In this case, patience will pay off big time.<br />
Be brave Comrades!</p>
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