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	<title>Comments on: Southern California Shadow Inventory:  Born on October 2008.  Foreclosures Still Exploding but MLS Down from 160,000 to 69,000 in Southern California Since September 2007.  Renting the next Bailout?</title>
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		<title>By: lawman</title>
		<link>http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/southern-california-shadow-inventory-born-on-october-2008-foreclosures-still-exploding-but-mls-down-from-160000-to-69000-in-southern-california-since-september-2007-renting-the-next-bailout/#comment-39407</link>
		<dc:creator>lawman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 04:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Camarillo I personally know of 5 homes that sold for over $900,000.00 and the borrowers have not made a payment since January. That&#039;s just what I know of in Camarillo. I also knew of a home that was bank owned and I called Realtytrac to ask why it did not show on their records and I was told that if a realtor or the bank asks that it be removed Realtytrac removes it. As for price increases, trustdeed sales that end with the property going back to the lender are recorded as a sale at the amount owed, which is giving a false price increase in some areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Camarillo I personally know of 5 homes that sold for over $900,000.00 and the borrowers have not made a payment since January. That&#8217;s just what I know of in Camarillo. I also knew of a home that was bank owned and I called Realtytrac to ask why it did not show on their records and I was told that if a realtor or the bank asks that it be removed Realtytrac removes it. As for price increases, trustdeed sales that end with the property going back to the lender are recorded as a sale at the amount owed, which is giving a false price increase in some areas.</p>
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		<title>By: DG</title>
		<link>http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/southern-california-shadow-inventory-born-on-october-2008-foreclosures-still-exploding-but-mls-down-from-160000-to-69000-in-southern-california-since-september-2007-renting-the-next-bailout/#comment-39351</link>
		<dc:creator>DG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Partyboy,
  My 2nd loan also has the balloon payment written into it.... though mine was only $76,000.... not that it matters.  I&#039;ve tried to make similar deals with the bank to what you described though I don&#039;t quite have 50k saved up yet.  If constructed correctly a seamless short sale sounds like it could be a good deal for me.  I&#039;m curious did you get your loan from Countrywide in Temecula?  I don&#039;t see many toughing it out in my neighborhood as many of the homeowners who have not already foreclosed are in some state of foreclosure now.  Did you have much trouble getting someone to rent to you?  Any recommendations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Partyboy,<br />
  My 2nd loan also has the balloon payment written into it&#8230;. though mine was only $76,000&#8230;. not that it matters.  I&#8217;ve tried to make similar deals with the bank to what you described though I don&#8217;t quite have 50k saved up yet.  If constructed correctly a seamless short sale sounds like it could be a good deal for me.  I&#8217;m curious did you get your loan from Countrywide in Temecula?  I don&#8217;t see many toughing it out in my neighborhood as many of the homeowners who have not already foreclosed are in some state of foreclosure now.  Did you have much trouble getting someone to rent to you?  Any recommendations?</p>
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		<title>By: Partyboy</title>
		<link>http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/southern-california-shadow-inventory-born-on-october-2008-foreclosures-still-exploding-but-mls-down-from-160000-to-69000-in-southern-california-since-september-2007-renting-the-next-bailout/#comment-39292</link>
		<dc:creator>Partyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DG,

It seems as though your situation is very similar to what mine was, it just happened to me a bit sooner than you.  I bought a new place in Murrieta in January of 2007 for $512,000.  The property taxes were ~ $9000 a year.  It was an 80/20 with the 20 having a ballon payment of ~ $100,000 due January of 2012.  Not a very uncommon situation at the time.  I contacted both lenders about a possible modification at least five times each prior to stoping payments on the house, all to no avail.  I made my last payment on August 1 of 2008 and the house finally went to auction June 12 of this year.  Sold at auction for $212,000 to an investor and apparantly sold to a new owner a couple of weeks ago for $298,000.  I offered the bank $50,000 cash if they would reduce the principal to $300,000 (basically short sell the home to me for $300,000) and they laughed in my face.  I think that after taking a $300,000 haircut on the deal, they may wish they could have a do-over on that offer.

I was able to save over $30,000 while waiting for foreclosure and now rent a very adequate home for $1500/month less than a mile from the other house.  Although the credit hit sucks, I have to say that we are very pleased with our decision and feel sorry for our old neighbors who are &quot;toughing it out&quot; with their $3500 a month payments.  It seems inevitable that virtually everyone in our old hood will realize the futility of trying to stay the course in their home and regret following up the first bad decision (buying the home in first place) with another even worse decision (doing everything possible to keep a famliy killing liability).  I hope that however it plays out for you that you keep your eye on the big picture and think about how where you will be financially in five years if you stay in the home or if you leave and rent.  Odds are, you would prefer the latter.  Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DG,</p>
<p>It seems as though your situation is very similar to what mine was, it just happened to me a bit sooner than you.  I bought a new place in Murrieta in January of 2007 for $512,000.  The property taxes were ~ $9000 a year.  It was an 80/20 with the 20 having a ballon payment of ~ $100,000 due January of 2012.  Not a very uncommon situation at the time.  I contacted both lenders about a possible modification at least five times each prior to stoping payments on the house, all to no avail.  I made my last payment on August 1 of 2008 and the house finally went to auction June 12 of this year.  Sold at auction for $212,000 to an investor and apparantly sold to a new owner a couple of weeks ago for $298,000.  I offered the bank $50,000 cash if they would reduce the principal to $300,000 (basically short sell the home to me for $300,000) and they laughed in my face.  I think that after taking a $300,000 haircut on the deal, they may wish they could have a do-over on that offer.</p>
<p>I was able to save over $30,000 while waiting for foreclosure and now rent a very adequate home for $1500/month less than a mile from the other house.  Although the credit hit sucks, I have to say that we are very pleased with our decision and feel sorry for our old neighbors who are &#8220;toughing it out&#8221; with their $3500 a month payments.  It seems inevitable that virtually everyone in our old hood will realize the futility of trying to stay the course in their home and regret following up the first bad decision (buying the home in first place) with another even worse decision (doing everything possible to keep a famliy killing liability).  I hope that however it plays out for you that you keep your eye on the big picture and think about how where you will be financially in five years if you stay in the home or if you leave and rent.  Odds are, you would prefer the latter.  Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, it&#039;s a nothing down situation if the 20% down payment was a loan too. It happened. A lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, it&#8217;s a nothing down situation if the 20% down payment was a loan too. It happened. A lot.</p>
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		<title>By: rfw</title>
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		<dc:creator>rfw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt - and 80/20 loan means there were TWO loans taken out.  One
for 80% of the puchase price and one for 20% of the purchase
price.  The home owner has no actual equity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#8211; and 80/20 loan means there were TWO loans taken out.  One<br />
for 80% of the puchase price and one for 20% of the purchase<br />
price.  The home owner has no actual equity.</p>
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