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	<title>Comments on: Real Homes of Genius: Today we Salute you Pacoima. Zillow says $457,000 but Listed at $225,000?</title>
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	<description>How I Learned to Love Southern California and Forget the Housing Bubble</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Phyllis Harb</title>
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		<author>Phyllis Harb</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zillow bases values on closed sales - in a decining market this obviously doesn't work.  In an increasing market it doesn't work either.  

Active and current esscrows also need to be considered (if you want an accurate opinion/estimate of value) .  

Zillow also doesn't seem to take into account location issues (busy street, or other negative influences).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zillow bases values on closed sales - in a decining market this obviously doesn&#8217;t work.  In an increasing market it doesn&#8217;t work either.  </p>
<p>Active and current esscrows also need to be considered (if you want an accurate opinion/estimate of value) .  </p>
<p>Zillow also doesn&#8217;t seem to take into account location issues (busy street, or other negative influences).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<author>Anonymous</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zillow notoriously (at least notorious to me) over zestimates what should be lower priced starter homes.  I've seen it time and time again.  Maybe not to this degree though.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;How cool is that, you got someone from zillow defending themselves.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hey zillow guy, there is an art and science to pricing a home and you only have the science part down, not the art.  But a great service nevertheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zillow notoriously (at least notorious to me) over zestimates what should be lower priced starter homes.  I&#8217;ve seen it time and time again.  Maybe not to this degree though.</p>
<p>How cool is that, you got someone from zillow defending themselves.</p>
<p>Hey zillow guy, there is an art and science to pricing a home and you only have the science part down, not the art.  But a great service nevertheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Housing Bubble</title>
		<link>http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/real-homes-of-genius-today-we-salute-you-pacoima-zillow-says-457000-but-listed-at-225000/#comment-396</link>
		<author>Dr Housing Bubble</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Welcome onboard.  Glad to see Zillow active on housing bear blogs!  Zillow is an excellent tool especially in regards to finding quick information on a property, especially previous tax sales since this theoretically should be 100% accurate.  This property is easily found on www.realtor.com or ZipRealty; just query a property between $220,000 and $250,000 in Pacoima – not much of these exist in California especially in this city.  You’ll recognize it by the cars on the lawn. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I feel that Zillow will dominate in a market where prices are stable.  I have used it for querying properties in Oklahoma and Texas and find the prices are about 2 to 3 percent off real appraisal values.  Pretty damn good if you ask me.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, you can see what occurs in really hot markets such as those on the coast.  They perpetuated the high price myth because sales data take 2 to 3 months to show after escrow has closed; tax records take even longer from my experience.  From what I gather, Zillow takes prices of homes in surrounding areas and Zestimates by previous sales data.  So in a market that is rapidly shifting I’m not sure how Zillow can account for this.  Maybe you can answer that for us since we’d be extremely curious?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Again, my hats off to Zillow and places like ZipRealty that are taking the power away from a monopoly such as the N.A.R. and C.A.R. and the way they stranglehold the MLS.  This data is easily analyzed with a simple real estate evaluation tool from Excel however key points are so difficult to come by.  How can you account for a home in Pacoima that was sold by fraud via a sub-prime mortgage obviously inflating the price and then using this as a reference point for future sales?  Again, I think Zillow will do great once the market settles down in California but we will be going down for a few years especially with foreclosures rising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Welcome onboard.  Glad to see Zillow active on housing bear blogs!  Zillow is an excellent tool especially in regards to finding quick information on a property, especially previous tax sales since this theoretically should be 100% accurate.  This property is easily found on <a href="http://www.realtor.com" rel="nofollow">www.realtor.com</a> or ZipRealty; just query a property between $220,000 and $250,000 in Pacoima – not much of these exist in California especially in this city.  You’ll recognize it by the cars on the lawn. </p>
<p>I feel that Zillow will dominate in a market where prices are stable.  I have used it for querying properties in Oklahoma and Texas and find the prices are about 2 to 3 percent off real appraisal values.  Pretty damn good if you ask me.</p>
<p>However, you can see what occurs in really hot markets such as those on the coast.  They perpetuated the high price myth because sales data take 2 to 3 months to show after escrow has closed; tax records take even longer from my experience.  From what I gather, Zillow takes prices of homes in surrounding areas and Zestimates by previous sales data.  So in a market that is rapidly shifting I’m not sure how Zillow can account for this.  Maybe you can answer that for us since we’d be extremely curious?</p>
<p>Again, my hats off to Zillow and places like ZipRealty that are taking the power away from a monopoly such as the N.A.R. and C.A.R. and the way they stranglehold the MLS.  This data is easily analyzed with a simple real estate evaluation tool from Excel however key points are so difficult to come by.  How can you account for a home in Pacoima that was sold by fraud via a sub-prime mortgage obviously inflating the price and then using this as a reference point for future sales?  Again, I think Zillow will do great once the market settles down in California but we will be going down for a few years especially with foreclosures rising.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gibbons</title>
		<link>http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/real-homes-of-genius-today-we-salute-you-pacoima-zillow-says-457000-but-listed-at-225000/#comment-395</link>
		<author>David Gibbons</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dr Bubble, it's David from Zillow.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I need an address if I'm going to comment on a Zestimate but I doubt that the reason we're this far off is related to depreciation -- as you point out, it's more likely that we don't have good data to work with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dr Bubble, it&#8217;s David from Zillow.</p>
<p>I need an address if I&#8217;m going to comment on a Zestimate but I doubt that the reason we&#8217;re this far off is related to depreciation &#8212; as you point out, it&#8217;s more likely that we don&#8217;t have good data to work with.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<author>Anonymous</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just ran across this headline on:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.nationalmortgagenews.com/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;Rulemakers Told to Slow Down&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Regulators and legislators should not go too far in reining in so-called "toxic loans," the chairman of the Mortgage Bankers Association said at the group's nonprime conference.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Damn, I'd consider subscribing just to see what kind of bone-headed advice the chairman could offer...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What part of the term "toxic mortgage" does he NOT understand?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It's clear he's not worried about ineptitude handling of HIS $$$, but some mortgage-backed derivative or DCO that can be passed off to Wall Street.  Other people's money.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For if you run your own business and you're hemmorhaging profitability, would YOU accept that perhaps you should "slow down" stop-loss attempts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just ran across this headline on:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nationalmortgagenews.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalmortgagenews.com/</a></p>
<p><i>Rulemakers Told to Slow Down</p>
<p>Regulators and legislators should not go too far in reining in so-called &#8220;toxic loans,&#8221; the chairman of the Mortgage Bankers Association said at the group&#8217;s nonprime conference.</i></p>
<p>Damn, I&#8217;d consider subscribing just to see what kind of bone-headed advice the chairman could offer&#8230;</p>
<p>What part of the term &#8220;toxic mortgage&#8221; does he NOT understand?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear he&#8217;s not worried about ineptitude handling of HIS $$$, but some mortgage-backed derivative or DCO that can be passed off to Wall Street.  Other people&#8217;s money.</p>
<p>For if you run your own business and you&#8217;re hemmorhaging profitability, would YOU accept that perhaps you should &#8220;slow down&#8221; stop-loss attempts?</p>
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