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	<title>Comments on: California Budget and Housing Financial Escapades:  $26.3 Billion Budget Deficit with State Issuing Monopoly Money.  Housing Still Collapsing.  Comprehensive look at Mortgages.</title>
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	<description>How I Learned to Love Southern California and Forget the Housing Bubble</description>
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		<title>By: SR</title>
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		<dc:creator>SR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen on several blogsites and even now realty reporter Diane Olick of CNBC has now commented the fact that banks are not only not putting out their REOs out to market on a timely basis, but they have not issued NODs on people who have been delinquent for over 6 mos to a year! Whether this is due to the pig in the python theory (too much volume for too few workers to process) or a concerted efforts by the crooked banks to put a &quot;floor&quot; on this market is up for debate, but this is the kind of games they can play now that the AICPA caved into the politicians on the mark -to-market issue. Now that banks don&#039;t have to mark assets down to market levels, they don&#039;t have incentive to move them off the books, thus kicking the can down the road by delaying price declines to their natural level and thus delaying ultimate economic recovery in housing. 

Not only that but the govt. should not waste our tax dollars trying to keep people in overpriced homes. Their efforts should be focused on helping people in forclosure or bankrupcy get back on their feet, getting people who can afford to buy a fair market priced house to buy that house with reasonable financing, and to create jobs, which is what is ultimately going to get us back to growth. I mean I didn&#039;t see Uncle Sam prop up Cisco stock when it plummeted from 80 to 50 on its way down to 11 a share or Pets.com or Webvan when they went to zero, why should we be doing it for another overpriced asset like housing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen on several blogsites and even now realty reporter Diane Olick of CNBC has now commented the fact that banks are not only not putting out their REOs out to market on a timely basis, but they have not issued NODs on people who have been delinquent for over 6 mos to a year! Whether this is due to the pig in the python theory (too much volume for too few workers to process) or a concerted efforts by the crooked banks to put a &#8220;floor&#8221; on this market is up for debate, but this is the kind of games they can play now that the AICPA caved into the politicians on the mark -to-market issue. Now that banks don&#8217;t have to mark assets down to market levels, they don&#8217;t have incentive to move them off the books, thus kicking the can down the road by delaying price declines to their natural level and thus delaying ultimate economic recovery in housing. </p>
<p>Not only that but the govt. should not waste our tax dollars trying to keep people in overpriced homes. Their efforts should be focused on helping people in forclosure or bankrupcy get back on their feet, getting people who can afford to buy a fair market priced house to buy that house with reasonable financing, and to create jobs, which is what is ultimately going to get us back to growth. I mean I didn&#8217;t see Uncle Sam prop up Cisco stock when it plummeted from 80 to 50 on its way down to 11 a share or Pets.com or Webvan when they went to zero, why should we be doing it for another overpriced asset like housing?</p>
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		<title>By: Ronbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big picture, policymakers are scrambling to treat the banking sector as the sick patient.  As if the economy exists to serve banks, instead of the other way around. Ideally the best interests of the banking sector (and I include the &quot;non-bank banks&quot;, institutions like brokerages that essentially perform banking functions) would align with the interests of the wider economy (which is to say, the working populace). 

But they don&#039;t.  Real estate liquidity is a prime example.  The economy would benefit from maximum liquidity, minimum friction.  Get the foreclosed homes sold, let prices reach levels where inventory moves, let pick-a-pays and alt-a loans fail if the borrower can&#039;t afford them, clean out the detritus.  If prices need to fall another 30,40,50% in some places, so be it.  

But banks don&#039;t want liquidity right now - those loans on their books would drop in value by several times their available capital - which means the banks themselves would go under.  The foreclosed homes they already own and will own would be deflating assets.  They want less liquidity, if not to let employment recover, then simply to stay in business, buying time since the alternative is to shutter the business. 

So you get these &quot;workouts&quot;, ways to keep insolvent borrowers from defaulting, at a minimal hit on the bank&#039;s books, and keep that house off the market.  Locks people in to an investment that already has failed, and will continue to fail, locks up the house so it can&#039;t be sold to someone who can afford it (at a better price) - its a classic misallocation of capital and assets. 

Toss in Prop 13, which creates huge friction in the market - keeping people in houses they don&#039;t want because of perverse tax incentives.  You&#039;re elderly, retired, your kids have long since moved out, but you keep a house that is three times the size you need, because selling and moving to a smaller place would send your property taxes skyrocketing.  And property taxes on new buyers are ridiculously high because the bulk of owners are locked in to ridiculously low valuations.  

So you get barriers to selling, depressing inventory, barriers to buying, depressing sales, keeping first time buyers locked out and existing owners locked in.  Classic example of perverse tax incentives distorting a market in every bad way possible. 

Which begets things like municipalities zoning for very little housing (lousy long term tax revenue) and far too much retail (easy sales tax money), further distorting the economy. Ugh, its a picture no economist could love, or even bear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big picture, policymakers are scrambling to treat the banking sector as the sick patient.  As if the economy exists to serve banks, instead of the other way around. Ideally the best interests of the banking sector (and I include the &#8220;non-bank banks&#8221;, institutions like brokerages that essentially perform banking functions) would align with the interests of the wider economy (which is to say, the working populace). </p>
<p>But they don&#8217;t.  Real estate liquidity is a prime example.  The economy would benefit from maximum liquidity, minimum friction.  Get the foreclosed homes sold, let prices reach levels where inventory moves, let pick-a-pays and alt-a loans fail if the borrower can&#8217;t afford them, clean out the detritus.  If prices need to fall another 30,40,50% in some places, so be it.  </p>
<p>But banks don&#8217;t want liquidity right now &#8211; those loans on their books would drop in value by several times their available capital &#8211; which means the banks themselves would go under.  The foreclosed homes they already own and will own would be deflating assets.  They want less liquidity, if not to let employment recover, then simply to stay in business, buying time since the alternative is to shutter the business. </p>
<p>So you get these &#8220;workouts&#8221;, ways to keep insolvent borrowers from defaulting, at a minimal hit on the bank&#8217;s books, and keep that house off the market.  Locks people in to an investment that already has failed, and will continue to fail, locks up the house so it can&#8217;t be sold to someone who can afford it (at a better price) &#8211; its a classic misallocation of capital and assets. </p>
<p>Toss in Prop 13, which creates huge friction in the market &#8211; keeping people in houses they don&#8217;t want because of perverse tax incentives.  You&#8217;re elderly, retired, your kids have long since moved out, but you keep a house that is three times the size you need, because selling and moving to a smaller place would send your property taxes skyrocketing.  And property taxes on new buyers are ridiculously high because the bulk of owners are locked in to ridiculously low valuations.  </p>
<p>So you get barriers to selling, depressing inventory, barriers to buying, depressing sales, keeping first time buyers locked out and existing owners locked in.  Classic example of perverse tax incentives distorting a market in every bad way possible. </p>
<p>Which begets things like municipalities zoning for very little housing (lousy long term tax revenue) and far too much retail (easy sales tax money), further distorting the economy. Ugh, its a picture no economist could love, or even bear.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronbo</title>
		<link>http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/california-budget-and-housing-financial-escapades-263-billion-budget-deficit-with-state-issuing-monopoly-money-housing-still-collapsing-comprehensive-look-at-mortgages/comment-page-1/#comment-37532</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, California spending is not all that high - we&#039;re the 17h highest taxed state.  Given the high cost of goods, plus the large distances (requiring lots of road building and maintenance), state spending is not that bad.  Could be better,  but 17th highest is not that bad.  We just have a stupid structure that undertaxes property, especially commercial property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, California spending is not all that high &#8211; we&#8217;re the 17h highest taxed state.  Given the high cost of goods, plus the large distances (requiring lots of road building and maintenance), state spending is not that bad.  Could be better,  but 17th highest is not that bad.  We just have a stupid structure that undertaxes property, especially commercial property.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a guy named Alex Jones who is on Coast to Coast and is doing fear mongering, but some of the stuff appears to be at least partly true. He thinks the Federal Reserve, which is a private entity, is orchestrating the collapse in favor of a New World Order. (See prisonplanet.com)

One small thing he is right about, is that Citibank was giving out easy credit. I know they were, because I&#039;m on Social Security Disability and did not own a home and yet they gave me five thousand dollars credit at Home Depot which was ludicrous. (I know this is not about housing specifically, but about the economy). 

The State of California is harming their most vulnerable; elderly and disabled and blind on Social Security Supplemental income. It&#039;s been cut twice this year, and rental housing assistance has not kept up at all for Californians in poverty. I am on Disability, and recently Social Security tried very hard to cut my $200 a month of SSI out, by being untruthful and very shady. I had to fight them with a lawyer. The employees act like they are going to save California by cutting out as many poor people as they possibly can.

Why are some areas still holding their own, such as nice areas of Long Beach? I grew up in an area there where houses have held at 1/2 mill. for many years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a guy named Alex Jones who is on Coast to Coast and is doing fear mongering, but some of the stuff appears to be at least partly true. He thinks the Federal Reserve, which is a private entity, is orchestrating the collapse in favor of a New World Order. (See prisonplanet.com)</p>
<p>One small thing he is right about, is that Citibank was giving out easy credit. I know they were, because I&#8217;m on Social Security Disability and did not own a home and yet they gave me five thousand dollars credit at Home Depot which was ludicrous. (I know this is not about housing specifically, but about the economy). </p>
<p>The State of California is harming their most vulnerable; elderly and disabled and blind on Social Security Supplemental income. It&#8217;s been cut twice this year, and rental housing assistance has not kept up at all for Californians in poverty. I am on Disability, and recently Social Security tried very hard to cut my $200 a month of SSI out, by being untruthful and very shady. I had to fight them with a lawyer. The employees act like they are going to save California by cutting out as many poor people as they possibly can.</p>
<p>Why are some areas still holding their own, such as nice areas of Long Beach? I grew up in an area there where houses have held at 1/2 mill. for many years.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hillyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Hillyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have been riveted to this blog ever since we began questioning our mortgage last July. We are in Santa Barbara and have seen the low end drop out while the upper end real estate holds value. Keep in mind that the entry level in Santa Barbara is quite high to start with.

We chose to stop making our payment in September and still haven&#039;t recieved a NOD. We have heard many rumors surrounding how to negociate modifications during foreclosure, but would love to learn more. We are particularly curious if it is too late to modify after a NOD has been issued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have been riveted to this blog ever since we began questioning our mortgage last July. We are in Santa Barbara and have seen the low end drop out while the upper end real estate holds value. Keep in mind that the entry level in Santa Barbara is quite high to start with.</p>
<p>We chose to stop making our payment in September and still haven&#8217;t recieved a NOD. We have heard many rumors surrounding how to negociate modifications during foreclosure, but would love to learn more. We are particularly curious if it is too late to modify after a NOD has been issued.</p>
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